Subject	Well, proper experimental design would take it much
Posted by	sebring1970 (robo) on October 07, 2003 at 3:40 PM
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In Reply To	This is how they should have done it. posted by Kenny 9 psi on October 07, 2003 at 02:49 PM
Message	further. The series should be double blinded, meaning the persons installing, running and measuring the different ECUs' performance on the dyno should not know which ECU is being tested (probably not possible). Also, even though you are on the right track for "randomization," the power size of your sample is still too small, e.g. more runs needed under a variety of conditions, or better still, under perfectly controlled conditions. That would be if the experiment were perfect, which they rarely are. Design constraints inherent in the problem attempting to be solved often mean a well designed experiment is not feasible or practical. Financial consideration is the other main reason experiments can't get done the way they should. So we are left with the best we can do, but it rarely "proves" the point.
Follow Ups	ECU - VolcanicZ 14:41:24 10/07/03 Are these dyno going to be "plug and play"? - 1991TT 14:45:08 10/07/03 He already posted results... - Sportzcoop 14:45:21 10/07/03 Re: ECU - VolcanicZ 14:50:45 10/07/03 This is how they should have done it. - Kenny 9 psi 14:49:36 10/07/03 Still not entirely fair... - 1991TT 14:58:01 10/07/03 Each car started with its own ECU - kryptonite729 14:59:53 10/07/03 Ahhh, ok, makes sense. Good idea. (n/m) - 1991TT 15:03:15 10/07/03 ECU - VolcanicZ 15:04:33 10/07/03 Good job. - 1991TT 15:11:03 10/07/03 Re: thanks! - VolcanicZ 15:19:13 10/07/03 One more thing... - 1991TT 15:28:08 10/07/03 doesn't the ECU have to "relearn" everything once installed? - takirb 15:02:11 10/07/03 thats why you do the testing over a period of time (n/m) - genic 15:07:13 10/07/03 Well, proper experimental design would take it much - sebring1970 (robo) 15:40:44 10/07/03 BTW, who is creating the program for their ECU? (n/m) - Kenny 9 psi 14:50:06 10/07/03 Devin Novak is tuning these things, remotely, from Japan - AshsZ 15:10:10 10/07/03 sounds like 4zeros deff of "hearsay" ;) (n/m) - Halo Z 15:54:11 10/07/03 I would like to be present at the dyno during this - AshsZ 15:07:44 10/07/03 That's not the contest is it? - Dallas DamonZ 15:13:46 10/07/03 I think you suspect I'm jumping to conclusions. - AshsZ 15:17:07 10/07/03 thats not the 'contest' (n/m) - genic 15:34:06 10/07/03 it's not the contest, but it's also not what Ash intends. - Dallas DamonZ 15:38:10 10/07/03 The only thing I am getting at is that makinig 10HP more - AshsZ 16:07:06 10/07/03 Good we agree. This is all (for the most part) dumb. (n/m) - Dallas DamonZ 16:30:46 10/07/03 No doubt, this has been an issue since day one. - SeedyROM 15:17:16 10/07/03 Thw winner will be the person that does not blow up the car - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:13:54 10/07/03 I'll put my money on JWT then. (n/m) - Dallas DamonZ 15:15:09 10/07/03 2,400,213% agree. (n/m) - nixit 15:52:50 10/07/03 Your version of the ECU apparently works quite well ;) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 15:26:30 10/07/03 Yep, but I am very slow to release a version to the public - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:36:11 10/07/03 Yeah! - Dallas DamonZ 15:41:13 10/07/03 Props for that line of thinking - SeedyROM 15:52:32 10/07/03 Just turn the boost down. :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:29:07 10/07/03 Pshhh...no one ever wants to do that :) (n/m) - SeedyROM 16:37:13 10/07/03 Thanks Chip. A breath of fresh air! (n/m) - nixit 15:53:42 10/07/03 This is one reason why I drag race as much as I do - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:06:00 10/07/03 although continuous road coarse events get expensive>>> - Scotts94z32 17:43:00 10/07/03 JWT dosn't make emulators..... (n/m) - Halo Z 15:48:31 10/07/03 JWT seems like they could give a rats ass about Z32 owners - ZLover4Life 15:57:20 10/07/03 sorry, just had to vent my JWT disapproval lately (n/m) - ZLover4Life 15:57:55 10/07/03 the Z world does not revolve around TT.net (n/m) - SactoTodd 16:06:42 10/07/03 *Eye watering* (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 16:09:40 10/07/03 maybe not, but I doubt he's even heard of either of these - ZLover4Life 16:15:04 10/07/03 More $$ in Sr20 and 350Z parts (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:19:36 10/07/03 we still exist (n/m) - ZLover4Life 16:23:58 10/07/03 what else do you want him to do? - Dallas DamonZ 16:38:18 10/07/03 now you are just talking silly! :-) (n/m) - TARGETZ 17:16:04 10/07/03 Check this thread out - Russell@Z1 15:15:07 10/07/03 I'd say within '04 you'll begin to see the surge of about - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 16:06:33 10/07/03 ditto. i know of 2 more emulators and 2 more e proms - Halo Z 16:12:49 10/07/03 I wish someone would just outright sell all the tuning - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 16:35:51 10/07/03 (n/m) - Dallas DamonZ 16:39:33 10/07/03 Definitely what I would like to see - Janders 16:46:39 10/07/03 Re: ECU - Magnum 16:10:56 10/07/03 Competition is a good thing - Janders 16:47:42 10/07/03 Agreed. (n/m) - SooperZ95 18:02:40 10/07/03 My take, Boost Solutions should make it Open Source. - SooperZ95 18:01:49 10/07/03 Well, it is alrerady. Its called the ZEMulator. - AshsZ 08:42:29 10/08/03 I'd like to buy one please - YellowZXTT 21:00:51 10/08/03
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